EnVision Maunakea’s process coming to a close; about 100 people participate
Organizers of EnVision Maunakea say they had one main goal — to start a respectful conversation regarding Hawaii’s tallest mountain and its future.
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Sounds like a great way to have a civil dialogue without the shouting. I wonder though, did they venture out of the pro-development comfort zones of the Japanese Chamber of Commerce in Hilo and the recent arrivals in Kona? How deep into the homesteads did their invite list go? How about the hunters in the extremes of Kohala and Ka’u?
As long as they can hunt they don’t mind. Near the telescopes there are no sheep, pigs, or goats.
There were forty four days of a Contested Case Hearing where testimony and discussion was VERY civil and controlled. The entire focus of the Hearing was Mauna a Wakea, and the issues “Envision” supposedly intended to highlight. The suggestion there is a need for this Unit to find civil and open discussion seems bogus. The Hearings were transparent, and provided excellent information, from involved and invested people. Participation in the Hearings were not by invitation, it was open to the entire Public. That this Unit is ” Founded ” by the people identified as most responsible for the “mismanagement” of the Mauna is revealing. This is not an unbiased Unit, and I wouldn’t expect an unbiased report from it. This Unit was founded by people who benefit directly and financially by the Astronomy Industry on the Mauna.
Kai’i perhaps you were not there during the CC hearings. You say “VERY civil and controlled”? Well not so much. I was there for a lot of it and there were many outbursts of anger and even threats. The petitioners were RUDE and often times OFFENSIVE to the people testifying on behalf of the astronomy community. There were 6 to 8 DOCARE cops there every day. Why were they there? Were they there because the astronomy people are aggressive and potentially violent? Uh… No they were there because of the Death threats leveled at the astronomy community ( and there were hundreds) by protesters. So “VERY civil and controlled”? NO Not Really..
Civil vs. Uncivil –
If you do not stand up on your home ground, you will never stand up anywhere at all.
Acting like adults and engaging in Civil discussion is how things move forward. Throwing childish temper tantrums and leveling threats is not standing up it is just being stupid. How much respect is maintained or gained by threatening others when you don’t get your way. None. NO Respect.
Pedantic patronizing a waste of your time and mine.
Combat veterans understand the different types of ground, the term home ground.
You don’t get to say where my name comes from, Sunny. You have no idea. Your wanna be warrior stance is empty, primitve and atavistic. You and your ilk are as the Zen “one hand clapping”. You still don’t have any right to threaten anyone, no matter “your” ground. It’s everyone’s..
Remember the time some aunty called you poi dog and you had a meltdown.
This atavistic public meltdown of yours – let’s not even go there.
I don’t threaten I promise. To you and your ilk LIVING IN THE MODERN WORLD,
U 1 Dumdog, Sunny!
It’s the dogs that don’t bark that bite.
C U Friday, sonny !
Not if I smell you first! aloha.
You’d best be scenting for your ilk panic at short notice, rapid advance.
Act your age, not your shoe size !
You put yourself out there – name, behaviors, and all
then blame others’ observations for making you lose it.
Re-read R. Kimo’s post. TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.
Act your age, not your shoe size.
Amazing how when the Truth is presented those who cannot handle it or acknowledge it take what was written out of context OR just change the subject completely. Some people have no backbone anymore. It is always someone else’s fault.
There is always room for improved communication…everywhere.
“standing up on your home ground” would ideally not include terroristic threatening.
If this were ‘an ideal world’ I would totally agree
Straight up…you’re a liar. Since you were there ( according to you ), tell us the very clear seating arrangement for the Petitioner. Also, lets take this to another level. You let me know who you are, I’ll file a lawsuit against you for what you are saying here, and we’ll let the court decide who is telling the truth. But, lets start with you identifying the seating arrangements. If you get past that we can establish your credibility. Ready, set…go.
What are you Stupid? Seat arrangement is relative to what? Lawsuit? What are you Stupid? The proceedings were not completely civil and DOCARE cops were there EVERY DAY because of THREATS from TMT protesters. There were threats leveled at Amano and TMT / Astronomy employees. This is TRUE. Go over your transcripts. Plain and simple as that. Why did DOCARE cops need to be there?
Hmmm… very noble sounding title, “ENVISION MAUNAKEA”
Better title “INVASION Mauna Kea”, as this PRO TMT group was drawn up by: OMKM board member; Ka‘iu Kimura, ‘Imiloa Astronomy Center; Stephanie Nagata, OMKM director; and Doug Simons, CFHT director.
I will bet anyone $100.00 Cash money that there will be childish temper tantrums during the BNLR meeting on Jan. 26 Friday. Come on people, grow up and act like adults.
not taking that bet!!